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 Dave Killoran
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ladybug wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:19 pm General question - if you submit a "formal complaint" that puts a hold on your score about an issue you had during the exam, does your score get marked/flagged/addended in any way when presented to law schools? if i end up keeping my score, i'd rather law schools *not* know that i submitted a complaint
No! Schools will not know you submitted a complaint :-D
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Shelves and Grants games felt like a particularly brutal 1-2 punch. Usually, I feel that way about a game when its the last game of a typical "okay we're ramping up the difficulty of LG" games section. May have been test day nerves, but still I was mostly beaten by both games, could never get a set up to feel right.

Broader question- how does LSAC account for this. If they give you a "hard" RC passage, getting killed might look like missing half or a little more than half of the questions. But if they give a hard game, a ton of test takers wont know how to set it up at all, and be forced to guess on every question. LSAC giving me a -1 scale on tough game section doesnt help me if I guessed B on all of them because I didnt know how to set it up. How is that equitable?
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Hi Lincoln,

The issue you're identifying is why, generally speaking, we do tend to see a bit more of an impact on the curve when the Logic Games section includes a killer game within it. You can see that from the curves on tests like September 2019 (with the "Flowers" game) or June 2014 (with the "Workpieces" game), which are a little bit looser and more generous than, for example, the curve on a test like September 2016 (with the "Eileen Gray" reading comprehension passage).

Also, although the differential impact of a hard RC passage versus a hard LG on you might look like what you've described (you get half the RC questions right, and none of the LG questions right), you have to take into account that the differential impact isn't going to look like that for all test takers. Test takers who are really good at Games might only miss 1 or 2 questions on a "killer" game, whereas those test takers who really struggle with RC might actually end up going 0 for 7 or 0 for 8 on a "killer" RC passage.

That last issue is why curves "hit" different test takers differently and result in a bit of the "Casino Effect" that Dave so helpfully describes here: https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-31 ... at-casino/.

Let me know if that helps!
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Hey Lincoln,

Thanks for the message, and congrats on being done with this one!

Adding on to what Jeremy very rightly said above, the equitability factor also comes from the fact that all these sections have been pre-tested as Experimentals on past exams. So, they somewhat know how the group as a whole will perform (but not how you will perform, of course). This allows them to vary each scale accordingly. And remember, when we talk about -1 etc, what we are doing is adding onto a base scale of -7, and then focusing on just one score point: 170. So it's not like that section is just -1; it may really be -3 in reality, but again that's just for a 170. Down lower it may loosen up quite a bit more. LSAC uses a lot of statistical analyses, and they have some ability to account for the difficulties between RC and LG.

I hoe that helps!
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We've now reached Tuesday, the third testing day of the April LSAT. We're still seeing the same sections in use from the weekend, as well as new sections for international test takers. You can get any combination of what is out there, so do not get too concerned by anything you've read online!
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Thanks for all the posts here! Dave, when can we expect one of those fantastic test breakdown podcasts that you do after each test? And would you be able to do one for the international tests, too? I took mine in Asia earlier today.
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Thanks so much, Dave! Looking forward.

Just a question about exam procedure. I took the test at my office where there is an automatic lock on the door. I was connected to a proctor and had begun the security check, but before the test began, I asked to go and use the washroom, and the proctor let me. After coming back I realized that I was locked out of my office. It ended up being a 20-30 minute ordeal to get back in the room and the proctor was disconnected.

After about 30-60 minutes of troubleshooting, I finally got connected to a second proctor, did the whole security check again, and then took the test without any real issues. My second proctor did ask what had happened and I explained everything to her and she let me take the test without problems. I'm not sure if having to get reconnected to a second proctor before the test began is a common occurrence or not––will this raise any flags with LSAC given that everything else went fine after I got connected to a second proctor? Do I need to explain anything to anyone at LSAC for this?

On a different/technical note, I've taken the Flex once before, a few months ago. That went really smoothly without any connectivity issues. I took this same test in the same space (i.e., my office) again this time, and at least once to twice during each section got the " there is an issue with your internet connectivity" message. The first time I lost about 30 seconds as I had to tell my proctor using the chat function. And then the times after that I was able to just click on the testing tab in Chrome again to get back to the page (turns out the message appears on a separate, full page tab). This didn't really impact my test performance too much, but it was annoying to have these interruptions. Do you know if this is definitely an issue with the test taker's internet connection? Or is this actually an issue from the ProctorU end that you have heard other people describe?

My office uses "industry-grade" or whatever really fast WiFi and so I was surprised that this happened. I haven't previously had internet connectivity issues there. So I'm just wondering if you have any anecdotes/know anything about this phenomenon, and whether there is anything I can do to stop this from happening again if I do choose to retake the Flex again. Thanks again for your help!
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Hi Frozen, answers below!
frozenopera wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:13 pm Thanks so much, Dave! Looking forward.

Just a question about exam procedure. I took the test at my office where there is an automatic lock on the door. I was connected to a proctor and had begun the security check, but before the test began, I asked to go and use the washroom, and the proctor let me. After coming back I realized that I was locked out of my office. It ended up being a 20-30 minute ordeal to get back in the room and the proctor was disconnected.

After about 30-60 minutes of troubleshooting, I finally got connected to a second proctor, did the whole security check again, and then took the test without any real issues. My second proctor did ask what had happened and I explained everything to her and she let me take the test without problems. I'm not sure if having to get reconnected to a second proctor before the test began is a common occurrence or not––will this raise any flags with LSAC given that everything else went fine after I got connected to a second proctor? Do I need to explain anything to anyone at LSAC for this?
This won't be an issue. I'm sure they'll look at it, but they are mostly concerned about what happens during your actual test. And as long as you followed the rules while questions were on the screen, I'm sure you'll be fine :-D





frozenopera wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:13 pmOn a different/technical note, I've taken the Flex once before, a few months ago. That went really smoothly without any connectivity issues. I took this same test in the same space (i.e., my office) again this time, and at least once to twice during each section got the " there is an issue with your internet connectivity" message. The first time I lost about 30 seconds as I had to tell my proctor using the chat function. And then the times after that I was able to just click on the testing tab in Chrome again to get back to the page (turns out the message appears on a separate, full page tab). This didn't really impact my test performance too much, but it was annoying to have these interruptions. Do you know if this is definitely an issue with the test taker's internet connection? Or is this actually an issue from the ProctorU end that you have heard other people describe?

My office uses "industry-grade" or whatever really fast WiFi and so I was surprised that this happened. I haven't previously had internet connectivity issues there. So I'm just wondering if you have any anecdotes/know anything about this phenomenon, and whether there is anything I can do to stop this from happening again if I do choose to retake the Flex again. Thanks again for your help!
Well, they blame it on the test taker, but I've long suspected that it has to do with their servers, not your connection. I've seen too many situations here office/professional/industry-grade connections were said to go down, and I'm just not buying it. Nothing you can do, but I strongly believe it's not happening on your side but theirs :/

Thanks!
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Halfway through my first section, my internet connection began misbehaving and I lost connection to proctoru. I was able to reconnect with them but briefly, but we weren't able to get back into my test. Our connection would maintain for only minutes before disconnecting again. I repeated this process several times over about an hour. I was connected to proctoru's tech people several times but they weren't able to fix it - most likely because it was something unexpected on my end.

I called LSAC and they said they'll fill out a form for me, and within around 24 hours I'll get an e-mail from them with "options." What can I expect from this e-mail? I really don't want to have to cancel my score because then I'll have hit my limit for this testing year.

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