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September 16th, 2017 LSAT Information and Discussion

Jon Denning
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As Saturday's LSAT concludes, test takers throughout the US and Canada naturally wonder what to make of their experience, and are eager to hear more about the experiences of others. To aid in that, this thread allows you to provide information and feedback about the September LSAT, and will serve as a one-stop repository for all of the details that PowerScore is able to collect on the test.

Below, let us know more about your test, including questions and topics that you remember, section order, and overall impressions (difficulty, uniqueness/familiarity, odd elements, etc). With that information we will begin outlining which LG/RC/LR questions were real and which were known to be experimental (for more information on determining the Experimental section, please read: The Experimental Section Explained).

This data can then help you better predict your own scoring outcomes, and determine whether to keep or cancel your score (although these days you rarely should cancel since only your highest score matters). For more assistance on making that decision, please visit: The Ultimate LSAT Scoring Guide: Should You Keep or Cancel?

Per LSAC policies, you are allowed to discuss LSAT question topics and difficulty in general. For example, this means you can identify a game by name and discuss whether you thought it was difficult. You cannot talk about specific answer choices, however. So, "The Water Tubes game was difficult for me" is fine; "the answer to the first three questions was A in that game" is not acceptable.

Note: The list below will be updated in real time as we learn more about the exam, and thus is neither official nor complete while the discussion is ongoing. If you are considering cancelling based on the details provided here, give this thread a day or two so that we can make sure all of the information is accurate.

Scored Sections

    Real Logic Games (not necessarily in order)

      1. East/West Theaters with 6 Movies at 1, 2, 3 pm
      2. 5 Foods: Specials in Restaurants over 6 Days
      3. Interrogators: 3 Investigators and 4 Suspects over 4 Days
      4. Class Projects: Students to Assignments (Shakespeare, Jiu Jitsu, Machiavelli)



    Real Reading Comprehension (not necessarily in order)

      1. Policymaking with Rain Forests: Deforestation and Plantations
      2. Native American Language and Radio
      3. Judges and Honest Opinions (Comparative Reading)
      4. Marx/Freud: Directive vs General Theories


    Real Logical Reasoning

      * Crows dive bombing people
      * Jones' theory/data correction
      * Cars being sold to a junkyard (older than 10 years parts are worthless)
      * Computers in classrooms
      * Back braces
      * Raven feeding experiment
      * Moose and deer
      * Homophones
      * Tarantulas
      * Disease X/Proteins/Heart disease
      * Gold and Chinese mines
      * Cuttlefish
      * Eating nuts and weight gain
      * Shakespeare's winter tale
      * Acme automotive
      * Wendy waxing/washing cars
      * Hieroglyphics
      * Perimeter lights and vandalism



Experimental Sections

    Experimental Logic Games

      * Pet Owners
      * Musicians in 7 spots: guitarist, violinist, singer...
      * Foresters
      * Movies at two theaters with four showtimes: 1, 3, 5, 7


    Experimental Reading Comprehension

      * Louvre and Pei's contributions
      * The law of the universe and quantum theory (comparative) [this may have been the planet formation passage]
      * Formation of the league of nations/Great Britain (activist during World War I)
      * Early African art/critical thinking in early humans
      * True democracy and voting
      * Authorship of feminist texts
      * International norms


    Experimental Logical Reasoning

      * Art Critic/Opera
      * Bike Sharing
      * Meteorologist
      * Pluto not a real planet
      * Energy use in rooms




Uncertain




    Section orders and question counts


      LG (exp) - LR - LG - RC - LR
      RC (exp) - LR - LG - RC - LR
      LR - LG - LR - LG - RC (unsure of exp)

      LG: 23 questions
      LR1: 25 questions
      LR2: 26 questions
      RC: 27 questions
      Total: 101 questions


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    Jon Denning
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    EL16
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    Hello!

    I thought my first LR section was significantly harder than the others (and than most of my practice tests) so REALLY hoping that was my experimental one! I am trying to remember questions, but my brain is mush right now! Sorry!
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    Hey EL - thanks for the update! You're not the first person I've heard from today with that section order who hated their first LR, so hoping it's experimental too! Do you remember which section ended with the used cars/junkyard question? Seems that one was for sure real!
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    Jon Denning wrote:Hey EL - thanks for the update! You're not the first person I've heard from today with that section order who hated their first LR, so hoping it's experimental too! Do you remember which section ended with the used cars/junkyard question? Seems that one was for sure real!


    Hi Jon,

    Unfortunately no! I can't remember much at all now which is not helpful! I apologize!
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    Just got home after the exam! I also had three LR sections (1,3,4). I thought the first two were easy and that the third was totally jumbled! I can't remember which section the junkyard question was in.

    I had a difficult time organizing the last two logic games, which is a shame because logic games is generally my best section. I'm looking forward to seeing how to properly set them up! Here's hoping the guessing guide for B in LG is helpful...
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    Hi all,

    I had an experimental reading comprehension section first that I think seriously impacted my score and mentality for the rest of the test. It included passages about the authorship of a feminist text, international norms, astronomy, and banks. This was the single hardest collection of reading comp questions I have ever seen, and I didn't get to answer any of the questions for the 4th passage and only really skimmed those for the 3rd. Subsequently, I was in a panic for the rest of the test. I thought the actual reading comp section was not that hard.

    I thought that the 26 question logical reasoning was not particularly challenging as a whole, while the 25 question section was slightly more challenging. The 26 question one had a question about people who eat nuts. There were also questions about comparing statistics to cars and about Shakespeare's Winter's Tale, though I'm not sure what section those were in. Normally, I skip/blind guess one LR question in every section for timing, but I ended up doing that on two in each of these which really freaked me out.

    I thought games 1-3 were quite easy, and then got stuck on game 4 about class projects, which I thought was challenging.

    I am really worried as a whole about this test. I have no idea what the curve is going to be, and that's impacting a lot of my thinking. I was PTing between a 167-170, but I am deeply concerned I screwed up because I was panicked after the horrible RC experimental (that I did not know at the time was experimental). I've done a bunch of scenario math, but it's hard to know without a scale. I am really hoping I didn't drop below a 165.
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    EL16 wrote:
    Jon Denning wrote:Hey EL - thanks for the update! You're not the first person I've heard from today with that section order who hated their first LR, so hoping it's experimental too! Do you remember which section ended with the used cars/junkyard question? Seems that one was for sure real!


    Hi Jon,

    Unfortunately no! I can't remember much at all now which is not helpful! I apologize!


    I'm pretty sure that was the 25 question one
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    Hi be - yeah, interestingly we're getting a lot of mixed reports about LR, with some saying their first was extremely tough and others (you included) seeming to prefer it!

    So it's possible there were two sets of 3-LR tests today. That, or people's preferences are particularly skewed :)
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    I had 3 logical reasoning sections, section one,three , and four. I don't remember any specific topics from the section I am assuming/hoping that the expirembetal section was (which would be my second LR on my third section). That one seemed unique to me. I had an evaluate the argument question type on the second page and I believe I had 1 or two other evaluate the argument question type on that same section on later pages. And I am not 100% on this, but I also had a cannot be true question type on the second page of that section as well. Idk if this matches the information listed under what might be the expiremntal section.
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    I'm with others on the mush-brain syndrome after this exam.

    I had a LG - LR - LG - RC - LR configuration. I see you've identified a configuration where experimental LG was first but I'm not positive which one of my LGs had the class assignments game (Machiavellian, not Macedonia). I'm pretty sure it was the second LG, but is it possible there are two configurations in the order I saw sections with the exp/real LGs flip-flopped?

    Both of my game sections had one involving food. Also had a game about criminals in 2 cities across 4 (5?) days that was tough.

    I found the comparative reading to be tough.

    LR questions - deer and moose. high-performing executives or something similar. moral responsibility/freely chosen acts. why newspaper readership is declining. cost of energy/biz re-locating. yoga/physical therapy. pet allergies/taking allergy medication (parallel flaw). gold artifacts/gold mine. babies learning language. produce prices/home gardens. i can't remember one about hieroglyphics right now.... there was a Cannot Be True but I don't remember the topic.