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Re: #18 - Each year, an official estimate of the stock of co

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:06 pm

Re: #18 - Each year, an official estimate of the stock of co

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:00 pm
Hey there,

Answer Choice C is incorrect because there is no information given in the stimulus by which to draw that inference. The stimulus does not give any information on the accuracy of the two different methods. Since this is a must be true question we are looking for an inference that can be drawn from the information given in the stimulus.

Since the estimate is taken by averaging the two different measurements, and one has gone up over the last ten years by roughly the same amount that the other measurement went up, we know that the most recent estimate should be fairly close to the one that was taken ten years ago because the change in the two measurements will average each other out.

Hope this helps.
Shannon

Re: #18 - Each year, an official estimate of the stock of co

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:46 pm
Hi Powerscore,

I can't really seem to agree your explanations of why A is correct, because to me, "the two estimates usually agreed closely" means what ever numbers they each were, they were the same/similar. For example, that can be research vessels = 9, commercial = 10. OR, research vessels = 5, commercial = 4. It's all RELATIVE. So "agreeing closely" every year doesn't necessarily mean the ABSOLUTE official estimate would be the same, if compared year to year.

Thus, now and 10 years ago might have a completely different ABSOLUTE value of official estimate.

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?

-Oli

Re: #18 - Each year, an official estimate of the stock of co

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:50 pm
Hi Oli,

The key to understanding this question is the last clause of the final sentence in the stimulus. If the two estimates are moving in opposite directions but at the same rate, and are thus directly inversely proportional, then the average of the two (meaning adding both together and dividing the sum total by 2) would have to be roughly the same. As an example:

Sample A 10 years ago = 100 cod
Sample B 10 years ago = 100 cod
Average 10 years ago = 100 cod

Sample A this year = 200 cod (2x 10 years ago)
Sample B this year = 50 cod (1/2 10 years ago)
Average this year = 100 cod (same as 10 years ago)

Hope this clears things up!

Re: #18 - Each year, an official estimate of the stock of co

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:28 am
I got this question right the second time when I reviewed it, but only after picking E my first time. However, I agree with Oli that the "by about the same amount" in the stimulus was tricky.

Like, in year 1 the average could be 100, with commercial and research both at 100.

But then in year 2, it could be:
commercial2 = 110 (+10)
research2 = 92 (-8)
average = 101

And in year 3, it could be:
commercial3 = 120 (+10)
research3 = 85 (-7)
average = 103

So by year 10, you could have:
commercial10 = 200
research10 = 30
average = 115

So even though the language in A is qualified, I think it's hard to determine if a change of 15% isn't "much different" from the estimate ten years ago. Like, if this were graphed, the upward linear slope of the commercial vessels could still be more extreme than the downward slope of the research vessels.

Still, that being said, I always knew that E didn't entirely make sense as an answer. I don't even remember why I chose that answer. I think it may have been because I thought if research vessels' average was markedly declining over the past ten years, then that would make it pretty improbable that the research vessel estimate could be anywhere smaller 20 years ago than where it is right now. And then, since we know that gap between research and commercial vessels' estimate didn't start to diverge until 10 years ago, then the average of commercial vessels and research vessels would both be the same — which would be a larger number.

But thinking about it once more, the research vessel's estimates over the years could look like a parabola instead of a straight line, or have multiple, drastic peaks and troughs for each year up until the past decade. We're only told that starting 10 years ago did a consistent trend start to occur for research vessels. So even though I still don't think it's probable that the amount of fish was lower 20 years ago, it's still, I guess, possible.

Overall, I didn't really think any of the answer choices was satisfactory. But that why it's a "most strongly supported" question.

Re: #18 - Each year, an official estimate of the stock of co

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:41 pm
jerry,

I think that plugging in a ton of numbers is overthinking this question. The stimulus tells you that you get the official estimate by averaging two numbers. It then tells you that for 10 years, the sample number has been going down by the roughly same amount as the commercial number goes up. Mathematically, that means that the average is the roughly same, which is answer choice (A).

You can plug in some numbers to illustrate, but you have to be careful. The main problem with what you did is that you started off with a very small starting point and then by choosing a 20% difference between the increase and decrease and then maintained a similar huge difference between the increase and decrease. So of course you were going to get an answer that showed a serious move away from the original average, because you didn't follow the stimulus's rules (increase and decrease are about the same).

What made it hard for you to follow the stimulus rules is that you chose starting numbers that were way too small. Choosing larger numbers would also help you avoid unnecessary math. Imagine you chose 1,000,000 fish, because after all, it's fish, so we should chose a number that is higher in magnitude. Now it's easier to choose integer numbers that are close to each other, and the differences won't mean as much because of using an order of magnitude that has a common knowledge relationship to the topic.

Other choices:

(B) Stimulus says nothing about the number of vessels.
(C) Stimulus says nothing about which is more accurate.
(D) Stimulus does not take an "ought" position, it's an "is" stimulus.
(E) The only increase or decrease info we have is from the last 10 years, not the last 20 years.